1 00:00:06,710 --> 00:00:05,110 the oldest and strongest human emotion 2 00:00:08,950 --> 00:00:06,720 is fear 3 00:00:09,910 --> 00:00:08,960 and the oldest and strongest type of 4 00:00:13,110 --> 00:00:09,920 fear 5 00:00:15,669 --> 00:00:13,120 is trepidation of young men 6 00:00:19,029 --> 00:00:15,679 when we were children our parents told 7 00:00:21,429 --> 00:00:19,039 us that monsters didn't exist 8 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:21,439 but we were sure that something was 9 00:00:29,189 --> 00:00:24,640 lurking under the bed or in the closet 10 00:00:32,229 --> 00:00:29,199 fear sees even if our eyes are closed 11 00:00:35,430 --> 00:00:32,239 welcome to the realm of the arcane 12 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:35,440 my name is lon strickler join me as i 13 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:36,079 examine 14 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:38,600 unexplained creatures strange 15 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:42,960 manifestations of remarkable realities 16 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:45,920 imagine this next hour as a voyage of 17 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:48,559 discovery to strange lands 18 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:51,600 seeking not for new territory but for 19 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:54,160 new knowledge of the supernatural 20 00:00:58,350 --> 00:00:56,960 come on board as we begin this adventure 21 00:01:02,549 --> 00:00:58,360 together 22 00:01:07,030 --> 00:01:04,789 hey folks good evening and welcome to 23 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:07,040 another episode of arcane radio where we 24 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:08,960 explore the unexplained 25 00:01:13,429 --> 00:01:12,080 live on beyond explanation i'm your host 26 00:01:15,590 --> 00:01:13,439 lon sprickler 27 00:01:18,789 --> 00:01:15,600 coming to you within a cannon shot 28 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:18,799 historic gettysburg pennsylvania 29 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,640 now before we get started i'm going to 30 00:01:25,749 --> 00:01:22,320 again ask you for a favor 31 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:25,759 arcane radio and the beyond explanation 32 00:01:29,510 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human-like screams and growls that he 49 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:08,640 and others 50 00:02:12,790 --> 00:02:10,720 heard late at night in south central 51 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:12,800 wisconsin 52 00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:15,760 so um he actually writes that in the 53 00:02:20,830 --> 00:02:16,959 summer 54 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:20,840 i work at a camp in jeans in janesville 55 00:02:26,070 --> 00:02:22,480 wisconsin 56 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:26,080 the cabins that staff 57 00:02:30,869 --> 00:02:28,560 that's you know with staff have screen 58 00:02:33,110 --> 00:02:30,879 windows and screen doors 59 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:33,120 meaning you can hear everything going on 60 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:36,160 outside of the cabins 61 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:39,120 now i had left my cabin around 11 p.m to 62 00:02:44,229 --> 00:02:40,640 go shower 63 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:44,239 and uh when my bunk mate and i got back 64 00:02:48,869 --> 00:02:45,840 to our cabin around 12 65 00:02:50,790 --> 00:02:48,879 30 a.m she crawled into bed and fell 66 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:50,800 asleep but i stayed up and put my 67 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:52,800 earbuds in low volume so it wouldn't 68 00:02:57,589 --> 00:02:54,720 wake her 69 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:57,599 now around 1am i thought i heard a fox 70 00:03:00,630 --> 00:02:59,680 screaming or coyotes in the distance of 71 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:00,640 me being a 72 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:02,400 nature lover i wanted to hear it so i 73 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:05,200 got up and stood by the door 74 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,440 i loved listening to coyotes and foxes 75 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:09,360 in the distance 76 00:03:12,869 --> 00:03:11,920 now soon went back to bed but around 1 77 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:12,879 38 78 00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:15,519 a.m i heard this human-like hot 79 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:17,120 screaming 80 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:20,000 that continued for no more than 15 81 00:03:26,470 --> 00:03:22,080 seconds before turning 82 00:03:29,589 --> 00:03:26,480 into a deep ground mixed with screeching 83 00:03:32,789 --> 00:03:29,599 this went on for about 30 seconds 84 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:32,799 all in one continuous breath 85 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:36,159 not spaced out like a fox or coyotes 86 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:38,879 i know the distance when it comes to 87 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:39,440 sound 88 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:41,840 especially and it couldn't have been 89 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:43,440 more than 30 foot 90 00:03:49,589 --> 00:03:46,720 from the cabins now when i tell you this 91 00:03:52,309 --> 00:03:49,599 sent shivers down my spine 92 00:03:53,910 --> 00:03:52,319 and woke me up like i just drank 12 cups 93 00:03:55,990 --> 00:03:53,920 of coffee it freaked me out 94 00:03:56,949 --> 00:03:56,000 i said straight up in my bed expecting 95 00:04:00,789 --> 00:03:56,959 to see something 96 00:04:04,390 --> 00:04:00,799 at the door staring at me but nothing 97 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:04,400 then this loud thumping like 98 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:07,040 a horse galloping running on you know 99 00:04:11,589 --> 00:04:08,000 what sounded like 100 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:11,599 two legs instead of four uh 101 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:13,439 quickly went in the other direction away 102 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:15,120 from the cabins 103 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:17,280 i got up and bowled the door so quickly 104 00:04:20,229 --> 00:04:19,120 even though the screen doors or windows 105 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:20,239 you know wouldn't 106 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:23,759 have much to do with me feeling safe 107 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:26,240 i i thought i was going nuts until my 108 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:28,240 friend in the cabin next to us but 109 00:04:32,710 --> 00:04:31,040 the cabins were very close he whispered 110 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:32,720 hey did you do you hear that 111 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:36,479 did you hear that too so with a panic in 112 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:37,520 his voice that's 113 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:40,880 how i knew i wasn't dreaming i don't 114 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:42,000 know if anyone else 115 00:04:46,469 --> 00:04:44,320 heard it as a a lot of the guys are 116 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:46,479 heavy sleepers and my bunkie slept with 117 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:48,400 earplugs in 118 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,600 i've been trying to figure out exactly 119 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:53,280 what it was for the rest of summer but 120 00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:55,520 because of poison ivy 121 00:04:59,909 --> 00:04:58,639 running rampant everywhere um you know 122 00:05:03,430 --> 00:04:59,919 we couldn't check too well 123 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:03,440 footprints uh and where the noise came 124 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:04,320 from 125 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:06,240 i was going to sep trail cam in this 126 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:07,600 area 127 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:10,400 for the summer 2020 camp but then again 128 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:11,440 with the covid 129 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:14,880 pandemic it that just didn't happen so 130 00:05:21,029 --> 00:05:19,120 uh this this occurred in summer 2019 131 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:21,039 for the fast five years i've worked 132 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:22,160 there 133 00:05:27,590 --> 00:05:25,440 uh we have found a lot of shredded deer 134 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:27,600 carcasses turkeys and other small 135 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:29,039 animals 136 00:05:33,189 --> 00:05:30,800 now i've been trying to figure out what 137 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:33,199 the hell i heard that night because it's 138 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:35,680 haunted me ever since then 139 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:37,520 and it's like new animal i've ever heard 140 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:38,800 before so 141 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:40,960 this area that's rock county at 142 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:42,720 southwest 143 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:45,120 uh well south central excuse me 144 00:05:49,430 --> 00:05:46,800 wisconsin 145 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:49,440 uh outside this camp is just outside of 146 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:52,560 janesville from what i understand 147 00:05:59,110 --> 00:05:56,000 of course that area is very near 148 00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:59,120 all the upright canine settings and 149 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:00,000 encounters 150 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:03,600 that uh uh linda godfrey has been 151 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:05,360 reporting for years we've gotten a lot 152 00:06:11,590 --> 00:06:08,240 of reports there as well 153 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:11,600 this is also an area which uh 154 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:16,240 wing humanoids have also been reported 155 00:06:23,590 --> 00:06:20,080 so i don't know what it is that um 156 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:23,600 this person experienced but uh 157 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:26,400 hopefully we can get some information 158 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:27,199 later on 159 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:30,400 or something else comes up i i'm kind of 160 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:31,120 interested 161 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:33,840 to really know what these sounds were 162 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:36,160 and what made them 163 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:40,080 so tonight i welcome patrick meacham 164 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:42,720 haunting survivor exorcist and author to 165 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:44,720 arcane radio 166 00:06:48,150 --> 00:06:46,960 patrick is a survivor of two consecutive 167 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:48,160 yet unrelated 168 00:06:53,909 --> 00:06:51,840 haunted houses through his experiences 169 00:06:56,309 --> 00:06:53,919 he's learned how to engage in spiritual 170 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:56,319 warfare according to the bible 171 00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:58,400 patrick also administers deliverance and 172 00:07:02,629 --> 00:07:00,560 has performed numerous exorcisms 173 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:02,639 his book nightmare in holmes county 174 00:07:06,629 --> 00:07:04,560 documents the true events 175 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:06,639 of one man's eight-year battle with the 176 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:13,430 uh is also here here entrenched in a 177 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:16,240 spiritual battle against ancient curses 178 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:18,240 and the witchcraft practiced by those 179 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:19,440 around you 180 00:07:24,629 --> 00:07:22,720 a nightmare in holmes county takes you 181 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:24,639 on a one man's journey 182 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:27,680 uh through hell on earth in the heart of 183 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:30,960 amish country through the story 184 00:07:34,870 --> 00:07:33,599 though the story seems impossible it is 185 00:07:38,150 --> 00:07:34,880 true to real life 186 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:38,160 and this second edition includes even 187 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:41,680 more evidence to support these claims 188 00:07:45,189 --> 00:07:43,840 so patrick thanks for joining me this 189 00:07:46,869 --> 00:07:45,199 evening 190 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:46,879 thank you lon it's nice to be on your 191 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:49,680 program yeah it's been a while um 192 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:52,560 it's been almost five years i think um 193 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:55,360 2016 i think was the last time 194 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:58,479 that's been wow yeah i i we must have 195 00:08:02,790 --> 00:07:59,280 just started 196 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:02,800 i think um uh shawn and i maybe had just 197 00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:05,120 started arcane radio around that time 198 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:08,479 yeah so um 199 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:10,720 let's go ahead and go back and tell the 200 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:14,080 listeners the details is haunting 201 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:17,039 and the subsequent issues you faced in 202 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:19,520 your home in holmes county ohio 203 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:23,080 okay what started around 204 00:08:28,469 --> 00:08:26,080 2001 in the fall 205 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:28,479 me and my ex-wife now ex-wife uh 206 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:31,199 purchased a plot of land 207 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:34,320 in uh amish country in holmes county 208 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:36,640 it was a beautiful piece of land i mean 209 00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:38,399 it it looked like something out of a 210 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:40,479 thomas kincaid painting it was very you 211 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:42,320 know the way the hills rolled 212 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:44,480 and it was you know amish farms around 213 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:45,360 us 214 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:47,600 it uh it really seemed like the kind of 215 00:08:50,310 --> 00:08:49,040 uh situation where we were going to 216 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:50,320 build our dream home 217 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:53,120 and live happily ever after and uh 218 00:08:57,030 --> 00:08:54,000 that's what we fully 219 00:09:01,110 --> 00:08:57,040 expected so we purchased the land 220 00:09:01,829 --> 00:09:01,120 in the fall of 2001 in 2002 early in the 221 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:01,839 year 222 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:06,000 uh construction began uh 223 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:09,760 and i believe it was march of uh 2002 224 00:09:13,590 --> 00:09:11,600 the unthinkable happened we were 225 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:13,600 contacted by the builder one saturday 226 00:09:16,230 --> 00:09:14,160 night 227 00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:16,240 i was working and i received a phone 228 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:17,600 call from the builder 229 00:09:21,030 --> 00:09:20,160 and he said um you know i have bad news 230 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:21,040 he said 231 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:24,080 uh that we had a windstorm and 232 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:26,160 your house is demolished now at that 233 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:27,760 point it had been built 234 00:09:31,269 --> 00:09:29,680 completely framed up it was a two-story 235 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:31,279 house completely framed up 236 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:33,839 he had put on the exterior uh wood 237 00:09:38,389 --> 00:09:36,640 sheeting for the walls and 238 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:38,399 um you know everything was going along 239 00:09:42,310 --> 00:09:39,839 great the basement was you know all the 240 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:42,320 basement walls were done everything 241 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:45,600 and he said he kept saying i've never 242 00:09:49,509 --> 00:09:47,040 seen anything like that 243 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:49,519 like this happen before this guy was in 244 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:51,760 his i would say at that time late 60s 245 00:09:58,230 --> 00:09:55,120 you know he had been born amish so 246 00:09:59,990 --> 00:09:58,240 uh as lon you probably know uh 247 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:00,000 you know with the amish they instill a 248 00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:02,160 great work ethic in their children 249 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:04,160 so therefore this guy had been working 250 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:05,680 construction you know 251 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:08,800 literally almost his entire life and 252 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:10,480 uh he's saying i've never seen anything 253 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:12,160 like this and 254 00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:14,160 uh we went to the building site the 255 00:10:17,509 --> 00:10:16,079 house was literally demolished 256 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:17,519 in the book there's a picture of me 257 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:19,279 standing over 258 00:10:22,630 --> 00:10:21,200 the what's left you know it's basically 259 00:10:24,069 --> 00:10:22,640 flattened 260 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:24,079 and i just thought you know it's a freak 261 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:26,160 accident whatever you know 262 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:30,000 um and you know they tore everything 263 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:31,120 away cleared it away 264 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:33,519 started rebuilding the house at that 265 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:35,120 point you know and they rebuilt it 266 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,640 and it was completed um towards the end 267 00:10:42,310 --> 00:10:40,320 of the summer 268 00:10:44,150 --> 00:10:42,320 uh the house was finished you know and 269 00:10:46,790 --> 00:10:44,160 over the summer you know i would stop a 270 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:46,800 lot um 271 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:48,880 we did a lot of the woodwork ourselves 272 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:50,399 as far as um 273 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:52,160 we had oak doors and woodwork and 274 00:10:55,670 --> 00:10:54,000 everything and we did the finishing 275 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:55,680 ourselves to save money 276 00:10:58,829 --> 00:10:57,600 and so i spent a lot of evenings i would 277 00:11:02,310 --> 00:10:58,839 go to the house 278 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:02,320 uh very late at night and 279 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:03,760 and again i'm not familiar with that 280 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:05,760 area i'm not from holmes county you know 281 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:07,120 and i would just stop 282 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:09,360 uh when i was driving home and i would 283 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:10,800 go to this house in the middle of 284 00:11:13,269 --> 00:11:11,600 nowhere there's 285 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:13,279 everything's pitch black around me 286 00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:14,800 except that you know the house when you 287 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:16,079 go in and turn on the lights 288 00:11:19,110 --> 00:11:17,519 because they're just amish farms and 289 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:19,120 everything so 290 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:20,640 i would go in and i would start working 291 00:11:23,590 --> 00:11:22,640 on the you know finishing the doors and 292 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:23,600 the woodwork 293 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:26,000 and often i would just have this feeling 294 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:28,480 that i was being watched 295 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:30,399 and i would always think okay well 296 00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:32,000 you're not familiar with this place 297 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:33,839 you're not familiar with this area 298 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:35,600 you know that's all it is you know but i 299 00:11:38,389 --> 00:11:37,440 started noticing i would i would take a 300 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:38,399 a radio 301 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:41,120 and i would listen to worship music and 302 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:41,600 uh 303 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:43,360 and that seemed to help i would get get 304 00:11:46,069 --> 00:11:45,200 my mind off of feeling kind of creeped 305 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:46,079 out you know 306 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:47,519 but i always would have that feeling 307 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:50,320 that some somebody was there watching me 308 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:53,440 so uh one one day on my way to work i 309 00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:54,720 stopped 310 00:11:58,389 --> 00:11:57,839 at you know at the building site and the 311 00:11:59,829 --> 00:11:58,399 uh 312 00:12:01,430 --> 00:11:59,839 the builders talking to me about you 313 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:01,440 know how things are coming along 314 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:03,680 and he had this one guy that worked for 315 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:06,000 him and he was a very strange individual 316 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:08,240 and this individual lived on a hill with 317 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:10,160 his parents who were still amish he was 318 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:11,120 not amish 319 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:14,880 but the family was his family was and um 320 00:12:18,550 --> 00:12:17,600 he was just a very odd individual in in 321 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:18,560 their house 322 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:20,800 was on top of the hill that oversaw the 323 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:22,000 valley where 324 00:12:28,949 --> 00:12:25,760 our house was being built and uh 325 00:12:30,310 --> 00:12:28,959 he's sitting there on a like on his 326 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:30,320 lunch box in the garage 327 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:32,320 when i when i'm talking to the builder 328 00:12:36,310 --> 00:12:34,320 and he just really seems out of sorts he 329 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:36,320 seems like he's very uncomfortable 330 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:38,320 his eyes are kind of big he just seems 331 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:40,560 like something's eating at him 332 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:44,320 and uh he says to me um there was a man 333 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:46,000 here last night 334 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:48,480 now keep in mind his house overseas my 335 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:50,000 house it through the valley you know he 336 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:51,120 can see it 337 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:52,959 and um i said what are you talking about 338 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:54,160 and he says 339 00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:56,399 i had to take my guitar over to sims 340 00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:57,839 garage now 341 00:13:01,190 --> 00:13:00,160 to get to sims garage he had to come 342 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:01,200 down 343 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:03,760 off of the hill and cut across this 344 00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:05,680 township road we lived on it was about a 345 00:13:09,190 --> 00:13:06,079 mile 346 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:09,200 long and then intersect with um 347 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:12,240 the next major road and that's where 348 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:14,000 this garage was where he was having his 349 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:15,600 his car worked on 350 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:18,720 so he says he he drove down the road 351 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:21,680 past my house and he said i saw this guy 352 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:24,160 in the weeds in the brush in the brush 353 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:25,920 at the edge of your property watching 354 00:13:29,829 --> 00:13:27,200 the house and he said 355 00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:29,839 he really looked scary and he said i was 356 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:31,839 so scared he said after i dropped my car 357 00:13:35,670 --> 00:13:33,360 off at the garage 358 00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:35,680 i walked home and he said i wouldn't 359 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:37,120 come back down your road he said i 360 00:13:39,269 --> 00:13:37,680 walked 361 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,279 the long way i went the whole way around 362 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:41,760 to avoid passing this guy again 363 00:13:45,269 --> 00:13:43,440 so this guy literally walked several 364 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:45,279 miles out of his way 365 00:13:47,829 --> 00:13:46,560 according to what he's telling me 366 00:13:49,030 --> 00:13:47,839 because he did not want to come back 367 00:13:51,189 --> 00:13:49,040 down this road 368 00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:51,199 so i just thought well whatever you know 369 00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:53,519 and i said well 370 00:13:56,949 --> 00:13:55,680 you know i have guns i said if somebody 371 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:56,959 comes around here and makes me feel 372 00:13:59,509 --> 00:13:58,480 threatened i will shoot him you know i 373 00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:59,519 said i'm going to make sure 374 00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:01,279 you know my wife's safe i'm safe you 375 00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,279 know and he seemed really uncomfortable 376 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:05,040 when i said that 377 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:07,040 and um but i just thought you know 378 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:08,160 whatever 379 00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:10,000 and you know as we moved into the house 380 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:11,519 then and we started 381 00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,560 um you know 382 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:16,399 experiencing strange things like you 383 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:18,240 know at first my my wife was saying 384 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:19,440 things like 385 00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:20,800 you know when you're at work at night 386 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:22,720 and i'm here alone i hear 387 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:25,120 noises that scare me she said it sounds 388 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:26,880 like the place is haunted or something 389 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:28,720 now she was a very level-headed 390 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:30,959 individual not really 391 00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:33,199 um i would say at that time she didn't 392 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:34,880 really have a put a whole lot of stock 393 00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:35,600 into any 394 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:37,440 stories about haunting or anything at 395 00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:39,040 that point you know that just wasn't her 396 00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:40,079 thing you know 397 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:43,040 but she felt very uncomfortable so um i 398 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:44,720 started noticing it too 399 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,240 and so we called in some house 400 00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:48,480 inspectors now i'm not talking 401 00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:50,320 ghost hunters or something like that 402 00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:52,000 these were inspectors to check the 403 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:53,279 construction 404 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:57,040 they did find multiple problems um 405 00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,800 we then had to go through a whole 406 00:15:01,990 --> 00:15:00,639 process we had to have things fixed 407 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:02,000 because the builder did not do some 408 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:03,760 things correctly 409 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:05,360 and what was happening was you were 410 00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:06,959 hearing all these noises when it was a 411 00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:08,240 very windy valley 412 00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:10,079 you know and we're out in the open so 413 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:11,680 when the wind's blowing strong 414 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:13,120 the house things are happening it 415 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:15,040 shouldn't be because the house hadn't 416 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:16,560 been constructed properly 417 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:19,040 so we had these things all fixed um at 418 00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:20,880 one point we hired an attorney we were 419 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:22,639 going to go after the builder 420 00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:25,040 and um after we paid the attorney a lot 421 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,399 of money you know he gets to where he's 422 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:28,240 not returning our phone calls 423 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:29,920 so i'm like forget it you know we're 424 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:31,440 gonna eat the loss 425 00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,440 the house is fixed now it is the way we 426 00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:35,120 wanted it everything's good you know 427 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:36,639 we're just gonna move on 428 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,000 so that's what we intended so after that 429 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:42,560 point you know these things have been 430 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,360 fixed 431 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:45,120 one of the first things i noticed that 432 00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:48,240 really just seemed strange to me 433 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,279 this was a short time after easter in 434 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:53,600 2002 435 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:56,240 and we had a room when you came out of 436 00:16:07,030 --> 00:15:57,440 the 437 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:07,040 kept we had 438 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,240 a couple of cats and i kept their litter 439 00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:12,240 box in the closet their food was in the 440 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,800 closet 441 00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:15,519 everything you know so um i'm in there 442 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:16,880 one night feeding them 443 00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:21,440 and the dryer door opens by itself 444 00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:24,399 and i thought man that's strange a way 445 00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,759 the way a dryer door 446 00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,519 latches shut you know you got to pull on 447 00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:29,440 it pretty good that's kind of odd you 448 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,320 know 449 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:31,839 i didn't think a whole lot of it but i 450 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:34,480 did think it was strange 451 00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,680 so as time progressed you know 452 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,079 the scary noises we were hearing because 453 00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:42,959 of construction issues those had ceased 454 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,959 but there continued to be activity that 455 00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:49,199 you know just didn't seem right it did i 456 00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:50,639 couldn't explain some of the things i 457 00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,240 was noticing 458 00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:54,959 so as time goes on you know that 459 00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:57,680 activity starts to increase somewhat 460 00:17:01,509 --> 00:17:00,000 and another night you know we had gotten 461 00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:01,519 a 462 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:21,919 go in there 463 00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:24,400 and put food in their dish and when i 464 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:25,839 did that 465 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:28,240 i swear i see zoe come running in and 466 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:30,000 she runs over to the dish and starts 467 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,960 eating 468 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,039 and i thought i looked right at her and 469 00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:34,720 i thought how cute you know this little 470 00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,320 kitten she's so cute you know 471 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:38,559 i put the food away i walk out of the 472 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:39,520 mud room 473 00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:43,600 i walk through the house into the foyer 474 00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:45,919 and i go towards the front door i turn 475 00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,840 and go up the stairs and as i start up 476 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:48,799 the stairs 477 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:52,080 zoe is sitting on the top step staring 478 00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:53,360 at me 479 00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:56,480 and i thought that's impossible she 480 00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,760 can't be there 481 00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,360 and then i thought well that had to be 482 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,919 moses i saw in in the mud room eating 483 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:04,000 but i'm thinking they don't look alike 484 00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:05,360 you know 485 00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:08,559 so i'm convincing myself as i'm going up 486 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,919 the stairs it was moses 487 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,440 you know my mind played tricks on me 488 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:13,440 whatever i go up the stairs past 489 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,600 zoey walk across the landing open the 490 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,799 bedroom door 491 00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,520 and moses is sleeping on the bed with my 492 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:20,799 ex-wife 493 00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,840 and i thought that is impossible 494 00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,400 so the next day i'm like i have to tell 495 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:28,080 her but she's gonna think i'm crazy 496 00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,919 or think you know she's not gonna buy 497 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,600 this at all 498 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,360 so i told her what happened exactly how 499 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,000 it happened and she starts saying 500 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,240 don't even tell me that don't even tell 501 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:40,240 me that and i'm thinking she's going to 502 00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,960 say 503 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,559 you're crazy i'm married to a crazy 504 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:44,240 person you know and 505 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,440 because she's saying don't even tell me 506 00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:47,520 that and then she says 507 00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,919 there are times when you're at work and 508 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,200 i'm at home alone 509 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,600 and i'm downstairs on the elliptical we 510 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,200 had an elliptical trainer downstairs and 511 00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,200 i had some weights and things down there 512 00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:59,039 and she said i'll be on the elliptical 513 00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,320 when i'm home alone 514 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:02,880 and i will swear that i see moses out of 515 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,400 the corner of my eye 516 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,440 run through the room and then i remember 517 00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,520 moses is upstairs and we don't even let 518 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,880 him in the basement and the basement 519 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,480 door is closed 520 00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:14,799 you know and so at that point i'm like 521 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,160 okay that is crazy 522 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,880 i totally believe her she has no reason 523 00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:20,320 to say that that's not really the way 524 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:21,120 she 525 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,160 about something like that you know 526 00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:27,120 so we both started you know taking 527 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,799 notice that something's wrong there's 528 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:31,200 something going on here you know 529 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,200 um over time as is i believe the case 530 00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,960 in most hauntings when you live in an 531 00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,640 environment where 532 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,679 there is a possession of the property or 533 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,360 the house 534 00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,520 the spirits that are there turn people 535 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:46,640 against each other 536 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,520 you know they know um where i'm weak 537 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,880 they know where she's weak they know 538 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,320 what's going to set me off they know 539 00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,840 what's going to set her up and they turn 540 00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:55,360 people against each other 541 00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,559 i think they're very good at that and 542 00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,320 we started not getting along we started 543 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,240 having issues you know 544 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,280 and um but as you know i'm seeing the 545 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:06,880 marriage is kind of falling apart 546 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:09,440 but the activity seems to be increasing 547 00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,240 as well 548 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:13,120 and i'm contributing this in my mind to 549 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,440 this 550 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:15,280 is all because the house is haunted and 551 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,559 it's you know it's 552 00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,120 tearing the marriage apart so there were 553 00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:21,039 times i even like towards the end of the 554 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,159 marriage i was 555 00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,360 um like one time and for instance um you 556 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:27,280 know we had discussed 557 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,960 there's something something's going on 558 00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:30,480 here and 559 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,840 uh at one point i uh i woke up one 560 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,320 morning and my alarm clock is going off 561 00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,640 and it won't turn off you know i'm i'm 562 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,559 turning it off it won't turn off i'm 563 00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,400 flipping all the levers and everything 564 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,679 nothing will turn it off 565 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,360 so i called her in the room and i said 566 00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,280 you've got to see this you know 567 00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:49,120 so she walk she comes in i think she 568 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,400 thought oh he's stupid 569 00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,679 because at that point we are not getting 570 00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,679 along and i think she's thinking 571 00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,080 um he just doesn't know how to turn the 572 00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,919 alarm clock off what a dummy you know 573 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,520 she walks in she grabs it she does 574 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,360 everything i just did tries to turn it 575 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,440 off it will not turn off 576 00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,840 and she she gets a dumbfounded look on 577 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:07,840 her face like she's confused too she 578 00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:10,320 reaches over and unplugs it and she says 579 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:13,280 okay that is strange you know and i said 580 00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,480 i know i told you you know um it just 581 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,520 starts seeming like as 582 00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,760 as things are winding down into marriage 583 00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,200 you know i'm still i'm pretty stressed 584 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,039 out so i'm staying up all night praying 585 00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,640 because i'm convinced that what's going 586 00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,039 on is attributed to this house 587 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,720 and i'm praying and i always feel like 588 00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,480 somebody's watching me again you know 589 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,400 she's upstairs sleeping i'm downstairs 590 00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:34,000 in the living room or in the great room 591 00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,880 praying 592 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,799 and i always i mean many times i would 593 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,640 stop and open my eyes and look around 594 00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:39,440 the room 595 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,159 fully expecting man somebody's here did 596 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:44,320 she come downstairs and i didn't hear 597 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,440 and there's nobody there so 598 00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,799 as more and more things begin to happen 599 00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,880 um and there there's a lot of other 600 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,720 stories that are in the book that are 601 00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,000 you know i'm not going to get into here 602 00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,760 just for time's sake but a lot of very 603 00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,919 strange things begin to happen 604 00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,720 and i come home one day in october and 605 00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,159 she's gone 606 00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,520 so i finally a couple of days later i'm 607 00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,960 able to get a hold of her and one of the 608 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:10,400 things she says to me 609 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,880 is that um on the previous friday night 610 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,480 early saturday morning so it actually 611 00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,120 had been saturday morning at 3 a.m 612 00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,960 which of course i was downstairs and i 613 00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,039 fell asleep down there on the couch 614 00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:25,760 she said that at three in the morning 615 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:26,159 she 616 00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:30,000 heard someone ring the doorbell 617 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,919 and let themself in the house and i said 618 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:36,320 i i'm thinking she's accusing me of 619 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,280 somebody else's 620 00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,720 involved in the marriage or something 621 00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,159 you know which is a hundred percent 622 00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,840 false and i and i'm like 623 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,679 that didn't happen i said i was sleeping 624 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,000 down there if somebody rang the doorbell 625 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440 i would have heard it and i never heard 626 00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:49,360 anybody come in and i didn't let anybody 627 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:49,919 in 628 00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,520 and she said um that i heard it you know 629 00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,840 and uh we discussed them beyond that we 630 00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,520 were it was it was over we're getting a 631 00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,120 divorce whatever 632 00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,440 and um you know as i hung up and my 633 00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,200 head's spinning i'm thinking you know 634 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,120 she actually said that someone rang the 635 00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,720 doorbell and let themself in she never 636 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,559 really did accuse me of doing it 637 00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,159 you know it's very strange and then she 638 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,679 left abruptly 639 00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,679 with a crock pot full of food still 640 00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:15,120 cooking and leaves the house 641 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,720 and it's not coming back you know so 642 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,120 over the next few months i thought you 643 00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,720 know it seemed like the activity kind of 644 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,919 tapered off 645 00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,400 so again i'm attributing this to maybe 646 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:28,159 she was doing something maybe she opened 647 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,440 some doors maybe this 648 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,360 all was back goes back to her because 649 00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,960 i'm not really having experiences 650 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,320 anymore you know 651 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,720 and beginning of february we the divorce 652 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,840 was finalized 653 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,960 and i'm there now by myself and i had 654 00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:43,200 assumed all marital debt so 655 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,360 i knew that the house and property had a 656 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,400 lot of equity because the property 657 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:52,240 values had gone up substantially after 658 00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,360 we bought the property 659 00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,039 and the house we got built i mean the 660 00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:57,279 builder did take take shortcuts and cut 661 00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,000 corners 662 00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,840 and we had to pay to have those things 663 00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,200 fixed but we did 664 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,440 get the house built for much less than 665 00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,600 what it ended up being worth 666 00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,720 so i was like okay look i'm 667 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,640 i'll assume all the debt for the 668 00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,240 marriage i'll sell the house i'll take 669 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,919 the equity and move on with my life you 670 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,880 know 671 00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:17,120 um but i'm kind of in a bad situation 672 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,080 because you know the idea 673 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,720 was not my idea to get the divorce so 674 00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,840 i'm kind of going through 675 00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,279 you know someone who's going through 676 00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,279 that understands it's traumatic 677 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,600 emotionally traumatic it's not something 678 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,240 i would wish on anyone put it that way 679 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,840 and uh so i'm there alone and 680 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,400 things start happening after the divorce 681 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:38,720 things begin to happen in the house 682 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,480 more and one of the first things that 683 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,120 removed all doubt to me this place is 684 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,760 haunted you know 685 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,320 was uh i believe it was february 11th 686 00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,200 this would have been 2007 687 00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,480 and we had had is this was a sunday and 688 00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,679 we had began began having heavy snow on 689 00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,799 friday 690 00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,880 so i brought you know i built a big dog 691 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,559 kennel out at the very back of the where 692 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,400 the yard met the field that we owned 693 00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,679 behind the house 694 00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:10,159 and we had two dogs maggie and copper 695 00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,799 and uh 696 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:13,279 i brought them in because it was the 697 00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:14,000 weather was bad 698 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,279 you know so i brought them into they 699 00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,960 stayed in a garage i had you know dog 700 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,919 cages for them and 701 00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,440 i just go out and take them out every so 702 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:21,679 often to walk or whatever 703 00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:25,200 and um i wake up then on sunday now i 704 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,679 know 705 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,320 i have not been outside at the back of 706 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,440 the house 707 00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,640 you know since the snow started 708 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,919 and you know i brought the dogs in that 709 00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:35,679 was that and we got a lot of snow after 710 00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,559 that 711 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:38,480 and uh i wake up and the house is 712 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,240 freezing and i'm thinking 713 00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,840 what in the world why is the house so 714 00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,520 cold you know i checked the thermostat 715 00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,880 it is cold you know the temperatures 716 00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,039 drop substantially and i thought 717 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:51,200 okay we have a thousand gallon propane 718 00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,320 tank 719 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,120 it was 40 full last week there's no way 720 00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,360 we went through 400 gallons 721 00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,600 of propane in that amount of time 722 00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,960 there's no way 723 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,279 and so i'm trying to figure out what to 724 00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,480 do and i called my propane supplier 725 00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,200 and he said he said i can do an 726 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,840 emergency delivery on sunday if you're 727 00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,600 if you are out but he said i have to 728 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:15,120 charge you a little bit more because it 729 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,320 is a weekend and we don't normally 730 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,760 deliver on weekends 731 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,240 but he said before i get to that he said 732 00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,840 you need to check the vent on your 733 00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,039 regulator 734 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,520 and see if maybe you know it's froze 735 00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,679 over because this weather is so bad 736 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,120 and i don't even know what that means 737 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,360 you know i don't know about vents on 738 00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,120 regulators or any of those things 739 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,039 but i said okay so i take my cordless 740 00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,360 phone i go out the patio door 741 00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,039 i walk around the house to where the 742 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,880 regulator is mounted to the side of the 743 00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,600 house 744 00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,960 there's a pipe that comes off of the 745 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,720 regulator and goes underground to the 746 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,360 underground 747 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,960 thousand gallon propane tank and as i i 748 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,000 lean over 749 00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:52,000 and the snow is right up to the bottom 750 00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,200 of the regulator 751 00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:56,000 so i gently push all the snow away from 752 00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,799 the pipe 753 00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,960 you know so i can see what's going on 754 00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,240 and as i do that 755 00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,000 you know there's a shutoff valve on the 756 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,400 pipe and i noticed the shut off valve 757 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,520 was turned completely 758 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,720 sideways so while he's trying to explain 759 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:10,880 about this vent 760 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:14,400 on the regulator i uh i said wait a 761 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,120 second 762 00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,200 i said you know the arm on this on the 763 00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,799 pipe the shutoff valve 764 00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,600 it's turned sideways and i said could 765 00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,039 that be the problem and he said yeah 766 00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,039 your shutoff valve's turned off 767 00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,960 he said that's your problem the 768 00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,399 propane's not coming through the line 769 00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:29,760 because you shut off your 770 00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,799 your uh shutoff valve and i said i never 771 00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:33,679 touched this 772 00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,039 had the the pipe 773 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,279 you know or the uh underground tank 774 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,200 installed i have never touched this 775 00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,440 i didn't do it and he said okay i 776 00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,520 believe you but somebody did 777 00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,679 and i said you don't understand the snow 778 00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,760 is completely undisturbed 779 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:52,159 i had heat last night today i have no 780 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,960 heat 781 00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,640 i said this had to have happened 782 00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,399 overnight there are no footprints in the 783 00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,679 snow this snow was here 784 00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,000 yesterday and he said i can't explain 785 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,840 that but he said i guarantee if you turn 786 00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,760 that shutoff valve back open 787 00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,200 you're going to hear the gas go through 788 00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,960 the line go in the house light your 789 00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,480 pilot lights you'll be fine 790 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,440 so i did he was right there was no 791 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,000 explanation whatsoever 792 00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,240 for how this shutoff valve under a foot 793 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:18,399 of snow gets turned off without the snow 794 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,200 being disturbed 795 00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,520 it's impossible so at that point i was 796 00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,720 like okay 797 00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,399 you know you've suspected the place is 798 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,000 haunted 799 00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:28,320 there's no no explanation for this you 800 00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,120 got problems 801 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,159 you know from that point i just began 802 00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:32,880 having 803 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:35,919 you know experience after experience so 804 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:36,240 i 805 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,200 you know 806 00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,520 then one thing that i think people who 807 00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,960 have lived through an experience like 808 00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,279 this 809 00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,760 know and who have gone through a divorce 810 00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,039 you know that it really wasn't their 811 00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,559 idea they really didn't want is you know 812 00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,640 you're you're in a bad situation from 813 00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,399 the divorce you're still emotionally 814 00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,799 erect that's just how it is you know 815 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,399 but don't but we when you're in an 816 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,240 environment where there is a 817 00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,720 demonic possession situation of that 818 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,799 building or that house or whatever 819 00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,520 you are oppressed you are on their turf 820 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,279 the demon's turf you're on 821 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,720 in in their environment and 822 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,720 that is why i say it's like a hell on 823 00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,880 earth situation 824 00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:33,039 in hell you're their turf that's where 825 00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,640 they that's their domain that's the 826 00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,840 devil's domain 827 00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,919 but if you're in a place on earth where 828 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,399 they are infested 829 00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,880 it's like hell on earth do it you know 830 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,799 the way they attack you i mean obviously 831 00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,480 hell is worse itself but 832 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,159 you're in a situation on earth that is 833 00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:50,399 terrible you are oppressed 834 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,159 um they impose their doom and gloom 835 00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,960 onto you you know so a demon spirit 836 00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,640 cannot be redeemed you know they're a 837 00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,480 fallen angel they can't be redeemed they 838 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,200 know that 839 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,120 their goal is to take as many people to 840 00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:04,880 hell as they can 841 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,919 and they impose their doom and bloom 842 00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:09,200 that they feel because they know they're 843 00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,080 unredeemable 844 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,880 onto you that is not a good environment 845 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:13,600 to be in 846 00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,360 it's very very difficult so 847 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,799 while i'm going through all this you 848 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,039 know i start studying 849 00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,200 anything i can get my hands on about 850 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,480 demonic possession 851 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,960 haunted houses what's the bible say 852 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,559 about this does it because you know 853 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,840 i occasionally heard things in church um 854 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,919 about things like this as far as people 855 00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,080 being possessed things like that 856 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,000 and you know i heard stories over the 857 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:39,760 years you know especially 858 00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,120 years earlier um of you know 859 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,039 possession issues i heard them in church 860 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:46,480 you know things like that occasionally 861 00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,360 somebody 862 00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,039 in church would have had an experience 863 00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,799 at a you know another church or 864 00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,480 something or the pastor shared a story 865 00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,520 with me whatever 866 00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,039 but i know you never heard it really 867 00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:56,799 preached about a whole lot 868 00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,080 so i'm kind of like i uh 869 00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,919 i need to know more so i start 870 00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,360 researching these things 871 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:06,159 and as i start researching and start 872 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,960 learning okay 873 00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,440 this is what causes a haunting this is 874 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,679 what causes a place to be possessed this 875 00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,399 is what causes a person to be possessed 876 00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,240 and this is how you get rid of it as i 877 00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,320 start to learn those things 878 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:21,039 i start to come across people that i 879 00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,000 know that you know i 880 00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,279 i know them well enough to know they're 881 00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,679 telling me the truth and they're a sane 882 00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,559 individual 883 00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,240 and they're telling me i think i might 884 00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:29,760 have problems you know 885 00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:32,559 i think that i might have be possessed 886 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:33,279 you know 887 00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:38,640 started off with one individual 888 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,279 that uh asked me point blank one day 889 00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:46,240 point blank this person says do you 890 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,880 think i 891 00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,080 have a demon and i said 892 00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,200 yeah i do i do think that and and 893 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,240 and this individual told me when you 894 00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,320 said that i knew that it was true i knew 895 00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,399 that i really did and 896 00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:02,799 the demons i had in me knew that you 897 00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,440 knew 898 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,919 and they were not happy and it just 899 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:07,440 turned into this individual started 900 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,159 going to 901 00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,600 a minister um in another town in ohio 902 00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,279 it was a little bit of a drive but this 903 00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,880 another pastor who had been trained by 904 00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,000 bob larson had 905 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,559 this guy had done some exorcisms and it 906 00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,840 turned kind of into 907 00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,919 you know me working with him and kind of 908 00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,080 telling him what i suspected and 909 00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,519 you know what i thought i might be 910 00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,279 discerning about this possession issue 911 00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,200 with that individual 912 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:31,360 and it always ended up being true you 913 00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,240 know 914 00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,440 and then it turned to 915 00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,519 i was having to do deliverance as well 916 00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,880 on this individual 917 00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,559 and the thing that was crazy was there 918 00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,360 were things that happened that 919 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,120 i knew things that i shouldn't have 920 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,600 known but i knew they were true and they 921 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,720 ended up being true and 922 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,120 those were things in regards to what 923 00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,799 demons this individual had 924 00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,799 and where they got them where they came 925 00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,080 from why this individual 926 00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,399 had them and i started to come to grips 927 00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,720 with you know your whole life 928 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,080 you have kind of had these weird 929 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,000 experiences where you 930 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,840 knew something that you really had no 931 00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:07,360 way of knowing and it ended up being 932 00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,760 true 933 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,440 and it was always something spiritual 934 00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,640 when those things would happen it would 935 00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,519 always be 936 00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,559 when i look back this is related to 937 00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:16,159 something spiritual that i know i'm 938 00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:16,880 knowing this 939 00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,159 and i come to grips with you know i knew 940 00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,120 everybody has spiritual gifts everybody 941 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,279 and i came to grips with 942 00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,960 i think i have a gift of discernment and 943 00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,679 knowledge so i'm able to discern things 944 00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,559 and i think people that god really wants 945 00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,399 to be involved with deliverance and 946 00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:36,159 deliverance ministry and things like 947 00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,720 that 948 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,559 he gives the those people these 949 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,840 particular gifts 950 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,440 because it kind of gives you the upper 951 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,840 hand in a lot of situations 952 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,320 when you're dealing with demons so you 953 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,320 are you're in a place where the demons 954 00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,440 are trying to lie 955 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,399 and conceal why they're there but you're 956 00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,480 able to discern otherwise 957 00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,320 so this turned into me basically being 958 00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,559 able to do deliverances 959 00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,760 on this individual and it took several 960 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,279 because this person had a lot of 961 00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,200 spiritual baggage 962 00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,600 uh really no fault of the individual 963 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:09,200 there was generational curses things 964 00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,320 like that 965 00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,399 so we i'm working through this but then 966 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,679 i'm going home okay 967 00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,599 i just cast devils out of this person 968 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,200 and then i go home to a house 969 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,800 that for some reason i can't get 970 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,040 cleansed and i'm i'm sleeping with a 971 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,200 bible open on my chest literally laying 972 00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,200 on my back with a bible open because i'm 973 00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,720 like 974 00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,800 i probably just made some spiritual 975 00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,200 darkness upset with me tonight 976 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,839 and now i'm in this house that i can't 977 00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,760 get it plans i don't know why but i 978 00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,560 can't and 979 00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,079 i'm sure i'm going to be messed with you 980 00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,159 know so that's kind of all 981 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,679 going into what i'm dealing with i'm i'm 982 00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,359 i'm able to help others but i can't help 983 00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,119 myself for some reason 984 00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:50,320 and and i'm having these experiences 985 00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,839 and the oppression you know and uh 986 00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,639 you know emotional baggage really 987 00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:58,800 because of what had recently occurred 988 00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,760 so this is the situation i find myself 989 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,400 in 990 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,480 and it is very it's very difficult you 991 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,160 know and i'm having experiences that are 992 00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,680 mind-boggling you know i'll tell you a 993 00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:09,359 few of them you know 994 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,880 and it was like 995 00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,320 something that kind of really messes 996 00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:16,000 with your head when you are living 997 00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,079 in a new house and it's haunted because 998 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,599 you know you expect a haunted house oh 999 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,200 it's an old house it's a 100 year old 1000 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,880 house and it's haunted okay that makes 1001 00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,599 sense 1002 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,599 and you picture that most people do an 1003 00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:29,680 old house would be the haunted house 1004 00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:32,560 this was a new house and uh so it 1005 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,280 actually was 1006 00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,200 kind of uh it kind of was uh 1007 00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,839 like really something that is puzzling 1008 00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,079 it kind of messes with your head 1009 00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:44,160 but it wasn't like every second that i 1010 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,200 was there i was having 1011 00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,000 experiences and but i remember one night 1012 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,839 in particular i'm sitting in the room we 1013 00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,520 called the great room it had a vaulted 1014 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:53,599 ceiling in the fireplace 1015 00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:56,320 and a tv and i'm sitting in there eating 1016 00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:56,800 and 1017 00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:01,119 creeped out i'm not having anything 1018 00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:02,079 strange happening right 1019 00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,079 happen right then and 1020 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,800 i'm sitting there eating and my two cats 1021 00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,880 moses and zoe are sitting 1022 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,839 off to my left and if i look to my left 1023 00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,680 there's a tv if i look straight ahead 1024 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:17,359 there's a fireplace if i look to my 1025 00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,560 right i can see 1026 00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,160 the whole way to the other side of the 1027 00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,839 house where the kitchen is because the 1028 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:24,839 house was built with a very open concept 1029 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,200 and if i go to my right 1030 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,000 if i go back then there's a a sun room 1031 00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,760 if i go through the open area 1032 00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,240 and then right across right to my right 1033 00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,760 in the open area then it leads right 1034 00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,280 into the foyer which is at the front of 1035 00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:40,000 the house 1036 00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,440 i'm sitting there so i'm just kind of 1037 00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,560 explaining that so you can kind of 1038 00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:43,599 understand the 1039 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,440 the layout and i'm sitting there 1040 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,640 not even having a scary feeling nothing 1041 00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,200 just i'm eating watching tv whatever and 1042 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,800 i look up and i'm just getting ready to 1043 00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:56,320 take a bite of food i'm looking straight 1044 00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,200 ahead 1045 00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,040 and i see out of the corner out of my 1046 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,359 peripheral vision to my right 1047 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:04,000 i see a black mass go straight through 1048 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,040 the open area 1049 00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:08,320 and disappear into the foyer when i saw 1050 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,040 that 1051 00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,640 at the exact same time to my left 1052 00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,400 i s you know moses and zoe are both 1053 00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,160 sitting there right beside each other 1054 00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:18,079 i saw both of their heads follow the 1055 00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,359 trajectory 1056 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,359 of this black mass as it shot through 1057 00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,040 the room i knew 1058 00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:26,320 i saw it here and out of this side i saw 1059 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,079 moses and zoe they watched it go past 1060 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:32,320 so i knew i you did not imagine this you 1061 00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,200 know 1062 00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,720 another night um 1063 00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:39,040 i'm up right just getting ready to go to 1064 00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,400 bed 1065 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,560 and i'm in the kitchen and i didn't have 1066 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,320 curtains over the kitchen windows behind 1067 00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,520 the sink 1068 00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,839 and i always mix like water with apple 1069 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,599 cider vinegar before i went to bed so i 1070 00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,760 mix up my concoction and i'm 1071 00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,400 uh i'm getting ready to drink it and 1072 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,680 there's a light on 1073 00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,560 behind me and overhead that's a big 1074 00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,320 overhead kitchen light 1075 00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,800 and as as i'm standing at the sink if i 1076 00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,000 look at the window behind 1077 00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:07,040 the sink i can see my reflection almost 1078 00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,839 like a mirror 1079 00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,520 i'm very clearly see my reflection 1080 00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,200 because it's pitch dark outside 1081 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,040 it was around one in the morning i 1082 00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,720 believe when it happened 1083 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:17,359 and um i mix up my concoction you know 1084 00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:17,760 with 1085 00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,640 ice water and apple cider vinegar i go 1086 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,079 to drink it as i tip 1087 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,640 my head up or tip the cup up my eyes 1088 00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:26,000 just naturally fall straight on the 1089 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:26,880 window 1090 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,480 and i see plain as day 1091 00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:33,760 my reflection and i see a like a black 1092 00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,359 shadow person over my left shoulder 1093 00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,040 and it's like when i saw it it 1094 00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,920 disappeared in a downward motion 1095 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,079 no mistake about it i saw it it was 1096 00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:46,000 there and it moved like when i saw it it 1097 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,119 moved 1098 00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,640 and disappeared so you know i'm having 1099 00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,359 these kinds of experiences you know the 1100 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,119 tv turning on by itself 1101 00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,760 you know all sorts of of experiences 1102 00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,240 that 1103 00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,000 are very unsettling and uh 1104 00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,599 i mean just some of them are downright 1105 00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,920 terrifying i i came to there's a little 1106 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,320 a phrase that i kind of came up with 1107 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,359 living in in that environment after some 1108 00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,680 of these experiences and it was this 1109 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,040 you know when you've lived through some 1110 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:17,599 of these experiences 1111 00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,200 there is no word that really describes 1112 00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,560 the feeling you have terror is the worst 1113 00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:26,079 word i know 1114 00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,839 but it doesn't do justice to the 1115 00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,240 feelings that come over you during 1116 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:33,440 these experiences and you know being 1117 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,320 someone who 1118 00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,079 is a person of faith and and i do 1119 00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,079 believe you know there's power 1120 00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,839 in jesus name there's power in the blood 1121 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:41,119 of jesus i believe these things these 1122 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,160 are fundamental 1123 00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,680 things that i believe you get to a place 1124 00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,480 where okay 1125 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,800 i'm going to fight back you know you 1126 00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,160 just startled me 1127 00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:52,320 i didn't see this one coming and i i am 1128 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,280 scared 1129 00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,280 but you you painted me in a corner and 1130 00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,400 i'm coming out swinging 1131 00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,119 spiritually speaking and that is many 1132 00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:01,119 times i had those experiences where it 1133 00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,320 was just 1134 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:06,240 um you yeah you got me on that one but 1135 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,040 i'm coming back 1136 00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:09,920 you know and um and that was all all i 1137 00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,640 could do 1138 00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:13,359 was you know to take authority in jesus 1139 00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,760 name 1140 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,319 but i couldn't make it leave it took all 1141 00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,680 the way up till the end of 2009 1142 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,000 before i finally found out there was 1143 00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,680 more to the story 1144 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,160 you know and along that during that time 1145 00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:27,760 period from the time we built the house 1146 00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,079 till 1147 00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,960 the end of 2009 you know i i did have 1148 00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:32,640 issues with the amish 1149 00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,079 um the builder himself uh he had jumped 1150 00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,440 the fence they call it when someone 1151 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,880 leaves the amish church 1152 00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:41,280 but he hired and subcontracted to the 1153 00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,160 amish 1154 00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,560 so he you know was very friendly with 1155 00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,319 them and they were friendly with him 1156 00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,160 the fact that i butted heads with him at 1157 00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,839 all i think did not 1158 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,319 you know kind of set a bad situation for 1159 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,680 me 1160 00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,800 and i had many experiences with them 1161 00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,359 trespassing on my land deliberately 1162 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,960 provoking me 1163 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,200 um they would come and they wanted the 1164 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,960 property when it went up for sale they 1165 00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,760 wanted it 1166 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:08,000 but the way they were looking at it was 1167 00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:08,800 this 1168 00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,599 you're an outsider you're not from 1169 00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,359 holmes county we are 1170 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,040 we're going we'll buy it but we're going 1171 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,400 to buy it on our terms 1172 00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,160 and that's going to be way less than you 1173 00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,599 know that it's worth 1174 00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:22,400 so they would smash the realtor signs 1175 00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,119 you know they would 1176 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,200 they would call and harass me there were 1177 00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,400 so many situations 1178 00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,640 and i detail a lot of those in the book 1179 00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,560 but it was very stressful i mean i'm 1180 00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,400 gonna be honest there were many times 1181 00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,000 at the end of the day i really had to 1182 00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,160 repent because there were some near 1183 00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,760 fight situations 1184 00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,960 and um i really kind of lost my coal 1185 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,240 several times and 1186 00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,160 i'm not proud of it but it's just it is 1187 00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,319 what it is you know i got provoked i had 1188 00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,160 a lot stacked against me 1189 00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,119 and um you know i definitely uh win 1190 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,640 against what i really believe 1191 00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,240 a person how a person should behave you 1192 00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,760 know and i wanted to fight and 1193 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:58,160 you know what i found out was in those 1194 00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:59,280 situations 1195 00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,560 they're not going to fight you they're 1196 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,319 going to back down eventually 1197 00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,480 but they're going to come back when 1198 00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,680 you're not there 1199 00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,800 or they're going to come back in the 1200 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:08,079 middle of the night and they're going to 1201 00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,200 mess with you 1202 00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,520 and the other thing was you know i i'm 1203 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,119 sick i'm outside working one day with 1204 00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,240 this beautiful landscape around me 1205 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,960 and i'm working you know it's beautiful 1206 00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,560 sunny day every everywhere i look is 1207 00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,440 beauty 1208 00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,200 and then i this thought comes into my 1209 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,560 mind they're practicing witchcraft 1210 00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,480 old world witchcraft that's what comes 1211 00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,880 to my mind and i'm like 1212 00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,319 you know i i feel like that's something 1213 00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,560 god just spoke to me 1214 00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,040 but you know i don't know that does make 1215 00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,880 sense i guess they could be doing that 1216 00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:39,839 you know 1217 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,640 and uh eventually i did find out yeah 1218 00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,200 that was an 1219 00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,599 issue they were there were people around 1220 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:46,960 me i found out 1221 00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,560 like for a fact were uh 1222 00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,480 practitioners of different kinds of the 1223 00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,319 occult and witchcraft 1224 00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,040 um especially a form of witchcraft 1225 00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,720 called powwow 1226 00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,119 that is one that the amish not all of 1227 00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,359 them but a lot of them do practice 1228 00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,240 um and i do think that was having a very 1229 00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,839 negative effect on me 1230 00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:10,000 it was making the situation you know 1231 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,280 worse 1232 00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,920 and many times i prayed against that but 1233 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,680 i really didn't know the whole story yet 1234 00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:17,440 so you know i probably made a difference 1235 00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:18,000 and 1236 00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:22,720 because i did pray a lot because i had 1237 00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,599 to you know but it still it wasn't until 1238 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,720 the fall of 2009 i found out more 1239 00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,920 there was a deep rooted curse 1240 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,480 over the land that i built the house on 1241 00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:35,920 went back 1242 00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,520 centuries you know and uh 1243 00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,720 with that had to be addressed and 1244 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,560 the the whole way that came together as 1245 00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,400 i share in the book you know 1246 00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:49,760 like i say in the book it wasn't my 1247 00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,599 intention to disparage or to glorify any 1248 00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,720 ministries or 1249 00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,599 preachers or groups or anything i just 1250 00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,680 told the story the way it happened 1251 00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,119 and there's some negative things i have 1252 00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:02,720 to say about some churches 1253 00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,880 and there's some positive but ultimately 1254 00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,040 the situation came down to you know 1255 00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:10,720 finding out 1256 00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:13,839 i was able to identify what 1257 00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,359 was the main demonic spirit that was in 1258 00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,720 the house and uh it all 1259 00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:23,040 all these when i found out what its name 1260 00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:23,920 was 1261 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,119 you know i knew then you know 1262 00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:29,760 all the whole bunch of these experiences 1263 00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,240 all 1264 00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,119 line up with what this demon's name was 1265 00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,520 and what obviously its function was 1266 00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:38,240 you know and we ended up addressing that 1267 00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,040 and uh 1268 00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,920 thank god i came out of that uh 1269 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,960 successfully 1270 00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,880 because you know i was looking at the 1271 00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,640 end of 2009 i was like 1272 00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,480 wow i might lose everything i own in 1273 00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,319 2010 because i'm paying these massive 1274 00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,599 house payments 1275 00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,240 and uh i'm doing it by myself and you 1276 00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:55,760 know i don't know how long i can sustain 1277 00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:56,640 this you know 1278 00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:00,079 and uh thank god we uh we were able to 1279 00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,280 deal with it 1280 00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,359 and basically overcome the entire 1281 00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,040 situation 1282 00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,640 and uh you know moved on to my next 1283 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,319 assignment as i found out 1284 00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,240 you know it really was the next house 1285 00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,240 was an assignment it was not 1286 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:17,119 um like i had hoped okay my nightmare is 1287 00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,599 over 1288 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,359 i'm going to move on i'm going to write 1289 00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,520 about this because i believe this story 1290 00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:24,160 needs to be shared i believe that people 1291 00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,119 need to know 1292 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,160 you can't have victory over the uh 1293 00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,680 over the powers of darkness you can't 1294 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,440 have victory 1295 00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,040 but you need to know how you need to 1296 00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:35,359 know how to fight back 1297 00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,319 um you know and have some weapons at 1298 00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,920 your disposal to do that 1299 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,560 so i fully planned i'm going to write 1300 00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,920 this book and i'm going to share what 1301 00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,880 happened 1302 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,040 i move into my next house and actually 1303 00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,160 begin to write 1304 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:51,119 nightmare in holmes county only to find 1305 00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,520 out 1306 00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,000 um before you get to that there's 1307 00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,319 another assignment for you 1308 00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,920 and uh you know that became that 1309 00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,359 assignment became 1310 00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,680 my first book at that time which was 1311 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,760 225th street 1312 00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,480 and i knew when i moved into 225th 1313 00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:08,240 street and i started to have experiences 1314 00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,200 i could you know i said 1315 00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,680 there is no way something followed me 1316 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,960 from holmes county 1317 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,720 because that situation was dealt with 1318 00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,960 successfully that was a successful 1319 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:19,119 deliverance a successful exorcism if you 1320 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,160 will 1321 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,000 and uh nothing followed me but 1322 00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,640 something's not right in this house 1323 00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,880 as i found out something was wrong there 1324 00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,319 was something very much 1325 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:31,040 not right in that house and i knew at 1326 00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,240 that time 1327 00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,319 nightmare in holmes county although you 1328 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,160 already started it it's to go on the 1329 00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,680 back burner 1330 00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,160 it is going to be released as a prequel 1331 00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,960 and 225th street i knew 1332 00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,200 the nick this book i'm writing first is 1333 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,119 to be the the address of the house which 1334 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,960 is 225th street 1335 00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:51,119 and you have to put all your energy into 1336 00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,240 researching this 1337 00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,880 haunting and your experiences and track 1338 00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,000 down everyone who's lived 1339 00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,599 in this house you know the house in 1340 00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,119 holmes county 1341 00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,800 me and my ex-wife were the only ones who 1342 00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,480 had lived there that up till that point 1343 00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,880 we built it you know before that the 1344 00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,640 land was farmland 1345 00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:08,640 going other than going back centuries 1346 00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,839 when it was owned by the indians and 1347 00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,640 they lived there 1348 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,119 you know but the american indians lived 1349 00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:14,960 there you know centuries earlier 1350 00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,640 you know but um this house 1351 00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:21,040 at 225th street there had been multiple 1352 00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,640 families that lived there 1353 00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,400 and i knew i had to track them down i 1354 00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,079 had to interview them and i had to share 1355 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,800 their stories as part of 1356 00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,640 the book part of you know what i had to 1357 00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,079 share about that 1358 00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:35,359 so you know basically i wrote 225th 1359 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,839 street 1360 00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,160 a few years later i wrote nightmare in 1361 00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:39,599 holmes county 1362 00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,680 and then over the years since then 1363 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,040 i was well aware the activity continued 1364 00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,240 there were things that happened 1365 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,280 regarding holmes county 1366 00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,280 there were things that hap that 1367 00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,559 continued to happen 1368 00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,280 regarding 225th street i knew that over 1369 00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:58,800 the years 1370 00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,720 but in 2020 in the fall i was contacted 1371 00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,359 by beyond the fray publishing 1372 00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,599 and uh shannon legrow contacted me and 1373 00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,119 she said you know 1374 00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,200 would you be interested in having beyond 1375 00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,640 the freight publishing 1376 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,760 republish your books and i said yeah i 1377 00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,800 would 1378 00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,079 um but i got to be honest with you um 1379 00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:22,079 there's a lot that's happened since that 1380 00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,119 time 1381 00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:26,079 and i would like if i'm gonna share 1382 00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,880 these stories 1383 00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,960 i gotta share the updated versions 1384 00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,800 because there's a lot that has continued 1385 00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:32,880 and she said yeah i'm good with that 1386 00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,160 um they the her and her her partner 1387 00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:38,240 jeff agreed yes we that's what we want 1388 00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:39,280 you to do 1389 00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,800 so they were re you know in some ways 1390 00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,319 rewritten there's a lot of 1391 00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,359 in new information in both books 225th 1392 00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,119 street second edition will be released 1393 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,800 in the very near future 1394 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,480 uh nightmare and holmes county second 1395 00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,160 edition was just re-released 1396 00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,839 a couple months ago and it has a lot of 1397 00:49:03,109 --> 00:48:59,760 updated information in it 1398 00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,119 um but you know it's it's interesting 1399 00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:06,319 i i was literally responding to 1400 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,440 shannon on messenger 1401 00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,200 when she contacted me at the very first 1402 00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,640 time about having these books 1403 00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,240 republished 1404 00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,440 in at the exact time i'm communicating 1405 00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,559 with shannon 1406 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,359 i begin having paranormal experiences 1407 00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,480 that i can't 1408 00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,960 explain there's no explanation noise is 1409 00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,240 in the next room that 1410 00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,400 i can't identify what in the world 1411 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,319 caused them loud noises 1412 00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,960 you know as i searched out that the room 1413 00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:34,480 where the noises were coming from there 1414 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,040 was 1415 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,319 no explanation and i i thought to myself 1416 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:41,760 okay here so it begins you know it's all 1417 00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:45,040 it's all starting over but um i'm well 1418 00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,680 aware 1419 00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,960 when you share these stories you know 1420 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,960 you're going to get messed with my 1421 00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,200 perspective is 1422 00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,960 i believe the stories are scary i 1423 00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,400 believe they're entertaining but they're 1424 00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,520 very true 1425 00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,200 i don't have any interest in 1426 00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,200 embellishing something 1427 00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,440 i want to tell them that they are true 1428 00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,240 to real life 1429 00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,160 other than out of respect to the some of 1430 00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,520 the people that have told me their 1431 00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,559 stories i changed names i did that out 1432 00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:12,640 of respect other than that the stories 1433 00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,280 are adding 1434 00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,359 to the best of my ability written 1435 00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,640 exactly how 1436 00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,280 i remember them happening and with a lot 1437 00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,800 of notes that were taken 1438 00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,240 as these things happened as i 1439 00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,839 interviewed people you know 1440 00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,000 and as experiences happened so they're 1441 00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:28,000 they're very accurate 1442 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:31,680 they're not hyped you know so 1443 00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,680 that's basically you know both books are 1444 00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,960 true to real life and uh 1445 00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,880 again i've experienced that i i've 1446 00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,880 experienced activity 1447 00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:45,119 while working on the books and that's 1448 00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,160 just 1449 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:47,839 something i kind of expected and i 1450 00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,359 accept when you deal with these things 1451 00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,280 just count on that be ready for it 1452 00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,400 because 1453 00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,839 you know you're you're shining light 1454 00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:58,079 into darkness and the darkness doesn't 1455 00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,880 like it 1456 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,319 i guess that's the best way i know of 1457 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:02,800 saying it yeah that does happen i mean 1458 00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,839 i've experienced that myself 1459 00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,520 there are many times when i worked with 1460 00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,599 folks with 1461 00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,720 with hauntings and such and you know 1462 00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,720 i've experienced a lot of what they've 1463 00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,319 experienced yes 1464 00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:18,800 and uh that does that does definitely 1465 00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,839 happen you know it's 1466 00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,480 when i first talked to you and i don't 1467 00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,599 know the first time i 1468 00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,960 don't know what year was the first time 1469 00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,200 i talked to you yeah but we were talking 1470 00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:31,040 about what was going on holmes county 1471 00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,440 and 1472 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,960 you know i knew it was the second 1473 00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,720 largest uh 1474 00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,680 amish community overall in the united 1475 00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,640 states 1476 00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:41,599 just behind lancaster county yeah but 1477 00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,079 you know 1478 00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,000 since you came out well there's been a 1479 00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,319 lot coming out about holmes county and 1480 00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,640 some of the some of the stuff that's 1481 00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,720 going on there with that amish community 1482 00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,240 and 1483 00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,480 you know when i first talked to you i i 1484 00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:56,240 mentioned to you that i knew somewhat 1485 00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:56,640 about 1486 00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,079 pow-wowing and and photo magic yeah and 1487 00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,119 i know it can turn it can turn to dark 1488 00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,480 side pretty easy 1489 00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:07,200 yes uh you know i've been involved with 1490 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:10,480 that with my family and uh 1491 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,990 so-called witch or brockmeister or 1492 00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,680 whatever you want to call them 1493 00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,920 he was a great great uncle of mine who 1494 00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:21,920 had died 1495 00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,960 nelson ray meyer here in this york 1496 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:26,240 county 1497 00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,920 hex murders and uh 1498 00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,359 you're related to the people involved 1499 00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,040 yeah yeah yeah 1500 00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,880 yeah nelson ray and i was a great great 1501 00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,160 uncle yeah 1502 00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,319 uh but you know i knew all about that 1503 00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,559 when i was growing up 1504 00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,880 and of course i've been there like one 1505 00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,079 of the guys that's 1506 00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,960 in the group i'm in also spends a lot of 1507 00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:48,960 time there's written about it 1508 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,640 and um yeah it's real i've experienced 1509 00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:54,800 things there with myself 1510 00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,920 so um but you know 1511 00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,079 when people talk about the homage the 1512 00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,000 one thing is well either 1513 00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,839 and they're they're upright they're you 1514 00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,359 know nice people they don't 1515 00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,960 do wouldn't do anything until you but 1516 00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,480 boy don't cross them 1517 00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,280 yeah you you got to learn that and you 1518 00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,119 don't cross them and 1519 00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:15,440 unfortunately you ran into a situation 1520 00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,160 and 1521 00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,280 something that happened to me 1522 00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,319 last night i was for whatever reason i 1523 00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:24,319 hadn't gone back over the book 1524 00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,040 but i started watching a documentary 1525 00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:29,040 about the greenville treaty 1526 00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,960 yeah and then when i saw in your book 1527 00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,240 today 1528 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,200 how you know with uh with tecumseh and 1529 00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,880 the shawnee and the in 1530 00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,800 his brother was the prophet and how it 1531 00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,040 related to chief cornstalk and yeah 1532 00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:45,520 that whole area yeah that kind of blew 1533 00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,160 my mind 1534 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,680 so uh there's a lot tied in with this 1535 00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,640 there is and absolutely and and i got to 1536 00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,720 say this long i'll never forget 1537 00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,480 the first time i was interviewed on your 1538 00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,880 program we were we were talking about 1539 00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,200 225th street i hadn't written nightmare 1540 00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,559 in holmes county yet 1541 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,599 and uh i'm you you asked me a little bit 1542 00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,680 about the situation in holmes county 1543 00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,839 and we were just talking about it and it 1544 00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,359 was live on the interview 1545 00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,280 and and you started to laugh and you 1546 00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,319 said i know where you're going with this 1547 00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,559 and i was thinking to myself oh you 1548 00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:20,079 might think you do but i'm sure you 1549 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,960 don't 1550 00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,040 we went to a commercial break and i said 1551 00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,800 lon where do you think i'm going with 1552 00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:26,319 this and you said 1553 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,119 you had a pow wower working on you buddy 1554 00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:30,640 and i was like how in the world did you 1555 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,119 know that 1556 00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,040 you said i knew it and you you talked a 1557 00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,640 little bit about your background with 1558 00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,280 that 1559 00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,280 yeah and you were dead on accurate you 1560 00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,640 know and uh 1561 00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,720 that that was a lot of it and you know 1562 00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,400 that wasn't helping me at all that's a 1563 00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,520 lot to overcome 1564 00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,319 if you if you have somebody you know 1565 00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,000 that dabbles in the occult and 1566 00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,920 and has some bad intentions and doesn't 1567 00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,280 like you 1568 00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,200 that can be bad because spiritually 1569 00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,799 there's power there unfortunately it's 1570 00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,799 dark but there's power there 1571 00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:59,119 and uh you know it was funny in holmes 1572 00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,000 county 1573 00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:03,119 i started um selling guitars selling you 1574 00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:04,799 know and teaching guitar lessons 1575 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,079 things like that and um 1576 00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,160 there was a family that came and uh they 1577 00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,319 were i think they were mennonite 1578 00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,559 they had been amish but they became a 1579 00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720 little bit more modern mennonite 1580 00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,319 and there was two kids one that was 1581 00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,680 teaching guitar when i was teaching 1582 00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,480 banjo 1583 00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,000 and their dad would always come and talk 1584 00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,760 to me you know when he he'd bring him 1585 00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,720 for their lessons 1586 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,200 and we'd talk then and i told him about 1587 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,960 some of this stuff and he's like 1588 00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,400 oh yeah he goes i know you're telling 1589 00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,359 the truth and he said um 1590 00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,359 he said not all amish are peace loving 1591 00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,200 one kid said it to me he goes not all 1592 00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,119 armies are peace loving you know 1593 00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,240 but um the dad told me he said you know 1594 00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,079 the one neighbor guy that gave me a lot 1595 00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,359 of trouble he said 1596 00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,200 his dad was the bishop in the church i 1597 00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:49,119 used to go to and he said he taught 1598 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,720 witchcraft in the church 1599 00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,720 and he said when i got out of all that 1600 00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:55,119 he said i had to reclaim the land that's 1601 00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,079 how he put it 1602 00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,640 and that mean what he meant was he had 1603 00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,839 to take back 1604 00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,680 areas of his life that he had given over 1605 00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:03,040 to darkness 1606 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,160 even though he didn't really know what 1607 00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,760 he was doing he still he had dabbled in 1608 00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,960 this stuff not knowing any better 1609 00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,559 because he was it was taught to him 1610 00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,520 and he said i had to reclaim the land 1611 00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,280 and he said i i came under a lot of 1612 00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:15,839 spiritual attack 1613 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,559 while i was doing that but he had a lot 1614 00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,000 of he shared a lot with me 1615 00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,960 about people locally around me and you 1616 00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,119 know one of the things that happened 1617 00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,440 uh towards the end of my time of getting 1618 00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:30,000 out of holmes county 1619 00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,520 there's a guy like down there's this 1620 00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,680 creek right below my property just a few 1621 00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,359 feet off my property 1622 00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,040 that actually it was one of the reasons 1623 00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,359 why the indians chose where i 1624 00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,599 lived as their camp because it was a 1625 00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,960 nice water supply it was a beautiful it 1626 00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,079 was beautiful land 1627 00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,680 there's a creek there there's water 1628 00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,480 supply and uh 1629 00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,319 so this this guy's down there i guess he 1630 00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:52,000 was fishing for minnow or something like 1631 00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,720 that 1632 00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:54,079 and i didn't know who he was and he had 1633 00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,359 parked kind of on the edge of my 1634 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,280 property so i went down to talk to him 1635 00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,240 and it turned out he was a a retired 1636 00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,000 doctor 1637 00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,599 and we started talking he was a really 1638 00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,480 nice guy and he lived not far from me 1639 00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240 and we were just talking about things 1640 00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:10,000 and he said 1641 00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,680 you know he said with the amish there's 1642 00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,400 a lot of genetic mutations because 1643 00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,079 they're close-knit and sometimes they're 1644 00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,440 under they're ending up 1645 00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,839 you know intermingling with people that 1646 00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,200 are actually end up being related to 1647 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,319 them or whatever 1648 00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,520 and he said but i'm going to tell you 1649 00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,599 something he said um 1650 00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:27,440 when you have those things going on 1651 00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,160 genetically he said you don't just have 1652 00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,760 and he said he didn't mean just because 1653 00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:33,520 of that but he said it's not just 1654 00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,319 genetic 1655 00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,920 problems that are passing on through the 1656 00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,240 bloodline because there's other problems 1657 00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,839 and i know you know what i'm talking 1658 00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,000 about he was talking about spiritually 1659 00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,640 like generational curses and i don't 1660 00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,240 know why he said to me 1661 00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,920 i know you know what i'm talking about 1662 00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,359 and that's my reputation 1663 00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,119 had gotten out into the community which 1664 00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:53,680 it probably did you know that i i was a 1665 00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,000 christian 1666 00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,599 who actually chose to believe in 1667 00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,200 spiritual warfare 1668 00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,240 but um it was interesting 1669 00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,559 years later then you know i'm doing my 1670 00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,680 research 1671 00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,559 and i contacted like this uh historical 1672 00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,240 society for one of the 1673 00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,240 local small communities around where i 1674 00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,520 lived and 1675 00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,119 the gentleman i'm speaking with he's 1676 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,559 telling me some stuff that's pretty 1677 00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,520 interesting about 1678 00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,440 yeah because i know some guy lives right 1679 00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,839 by you was doing witchcraft 1680 00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,960 and uh but he then said you know i come 1681 00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,720 to the conclusion myself 1682 00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,400 this is what i'm i'm saying this is 1683 00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,640 before i tell you what he said 1684 00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,559 that there were battles fought on my 1685 00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,880 land people died on my land 1686 00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,559 and i believe it wasn't just that i 1687 00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,119 believe people were murdered on my land 1688 00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,240 and i believe that where i built was on 1689 00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:42,000 the side that the indians were given 1690 00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,960 after the green 1691 00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,440 greenville treaty and i was able to 1692 00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,040 actually document and find 1693 00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,160 old articles from very old newspapers 1694 00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,119 that talked about how in both cases 1695 00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,400 sometimes 1696 00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,720 you know the english as they call them 1697 00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,319 accidentally crossed over the treaty 1698 00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,520 line when they were hunting 1699 00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,599 and the indians murdered them and then 1700 00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:03,119 there's places where the indians 1701 00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,920 actually cross 1702 00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,839 accidentally crossed over the treaty 1703 00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,079 line hunting they didn't know any better 1704 00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:10,400 and they were murdered so there were 1705 00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,359 murders 1706 00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:13,440 all out there and i lived very close to 1707 00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,480 the treaty line 1708 00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:16,240 and i came to the conclusion you know i 1709 00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:19,119 had some things shared with me and uh 1710 00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,030 yeah i believe people were murdered here 1711 00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,960 and i i prayed a lot about it i felt 1712 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,799 that god did discern that to me yeah 1713 00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,480 it's real it happened they're not 1714 00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,400 necessarily buried on your property but 1715 00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,079 people there was bloodshed here 1716 00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,119 that that sets up a bad situation also 1717 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,599 but um i mean i'm talking to this 1718 00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:41,920 gentleman from the historical society 1719 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,119 he tells me dr so and so this retired 1720 00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,640 doctor and i'm like that's the guy i 1721 00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:47,520 spoke to 1722 00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,559 you know when i lived there um he said 1723 00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,880 he was having a gas line put on his 1724 00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,160 property 1725 00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,160 and when they dug for the gas line they 1726 01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,160 found human remains 1727 01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,200 and he said he never had he never 1728 01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,480 reported it 1729 01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,319 he kept told him just to cover him up 1730 01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,079 and keep quiet about it 1731 01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,680 but he said there were human remains now 1732 01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,799 technically that should have been 1733 01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:09,920 reported there should have been an 1734 01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,880 investigation 1735 01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,960 right but i believe there are things 1736 01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,000 like that out there 1737 01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,400 you know um if not for that gas line 1738 01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:17,680 going in they would have never known 1739 01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,799 there was somebody buried on that 1740 01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,359 property 1741 01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:22,079 you know so there's a lot of strangeness 1742 01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:22,400 in 1743 01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:27,119 amish communities 1744 01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,400 overall have a lot of um a lot of 1745 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,520 strange stories 1746 01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,240 and a lot of mysterious things happen 1747 01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,000 within the community and of course with 1748 01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,760 holmes county 1749 01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,520 you've got you've got a whole bunch of 1750 01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,880 uh bad people 1751 01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,880 involved with that you know and you know 1752 01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:44,960 there have been a lot of tv shows and 1753 01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,319 even a movie made about that in recent 1754 01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:49,599 years 1755 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,280 so uh yeah you know 1756 01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,880 i i every time i talk to someone about 1757 01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,160 pow wowing and about 1758 01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,520 the uh long lost friend and 1759 01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,839 and other things as far as folk magic 1760 01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,799 goes 1761 01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,880 uh i always think about your story i 1762 01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,000 really do it 1763 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,160 you know you're probably one of the only 1764 01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:11,680 people that i know 1765 01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,799 has come forth and talked about it 1766 01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,880 um but i know there have been a lot of 1767 01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:18,640 people affected by that 1768 01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,480 yeah uh you know i'm quite sure there 1769 01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,040 are more people in holmes county and 1770 01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:26,799 around that area 1771 01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,920 who were not amish who you know that had 1772 01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,920 to put up with a lot of the problems 1773 01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:33,920 that are associated with it 1774 01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,640 so look the book is the book is 1775 01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,000 nightmare on home street you 1776 01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,200 did updated very nicely and got a lot of 1777 01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:42,720 good stuff in there 1778 01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,990 you had to look you had to go read the 1779 01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,680 book and read about 1780 01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,599 when they hung the dead dog up there and 1781 01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:53,599 all the other stuff they pulled off on 1782 01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:54,160 you 1783 01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,000 interesting when we first talked 1784 01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,559 i i knew what was going on yeah you know 1785 01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,400 because i have heard it before 1786 01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:04,720 but i really hadn't talked to anybody 1787 01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,920 about it before so 1788 01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,000 you know i i i'll never forget that i'll 1789 01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:11,839 never forget how you you knew 1790 01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:15,119 that was well the guys that were with me 1791 01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,720 on the show but they were shocked too 1792 01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:18,240 because they didn't know what i you know 1793 01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:19,760 they were kind of surprised i knew about 1794 01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,000 it 1795 01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,720 but yeah you know i when the when the 1796 01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,400 the second edition of the other book 1797 01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:26,160 comes out let me know about it 1798 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:29,680 and i know channel sent me a copy of it 1799 01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,119 i'm interested to see the updates so uh 1800 01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,760 you know i i hope i hope you're doing 1801 01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,000 well i hope you continue to do well 1802 01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:40,079 thank you uh are you living it are you 1803 01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:41,039 living in this 1804 01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,640 the same house now no i moved out um 1805 01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:46,480 i moved out and and i did a lot of 1806 01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:48,079 research still while i was living in 1807 01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:49,520 225th street 1808 01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,119 but i moved out in 2010 1809 01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,680 and uh that would be interesting though 1810 01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,960 wouldn't it doing the interview from 1811 01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,880 inside that house 1812 01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:01,119 that would be very interesting you know 1813 01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:02,160 it's funny 1814 01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,359 uh my address now is 221 fifth street 1815 01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,839 is that right wow yeah ain't that weird 1816 01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:10,319 it's interesting yeah 1817 01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,599 i can tell you go ahead there is 1818 01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,000 there is a lot added to i mean the 1819 01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,680 haunting and the 1820 01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,480 experiences with 225th street have 1821 01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,440 continued 1822 01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:24,160 there is no question in my mind that i 1823 01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,480 mean 1824 01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,480 bad stuff happens to the people that 1825 01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,319 come in contact with that house 1826 01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:30,079 and i document it there's a lot of 1827 01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:31,520 information added 1828 01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,640 i mean again i went to great lengths to 1829 01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:36,079 prove what i'm saying because when you 1830 01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:37,359 say this stuff you're you're 1831 01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,799 you're going to be scrutinized you're 1832 01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:39,839 going to be called a liar you're going 1833 01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:40,880 to be called a kook 1834 01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,839 you're crazy whatever i went to great 1835 01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,720 lengths 1836 01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,039 to prove and i mean i have a stacks of 1837 01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,359 documentation and and in 225th street 1838 01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,640 the next edition 1839 01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,319 there are notes that i went back and 1840 01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,400 went over because as i started 1841 01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:56,799 re-examining the activity that continued 1842 01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,359 after i'd written 225th street 1843 01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:01,520 um it was very clear there were notes 1844 01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,440 that little things in my notes 1845 01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:05,440 that oh my goodness i didn't include 1846 01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:06,799 this in the first version because it 1847 01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,280 didn't 1848 01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:09,280 really seem relative at that time but 1849 01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,720 now i know that it was 1850 01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,559 so there is a lot of things that are 1851 01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,079 rewritten um 1852 01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,760 just because there's things i know now 1853 01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:17,599 that i didn't know then and then there's 1854 01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:18,640 a whole lot of 1855 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,839 additional chapters with new activity um 1856 01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:24,000 and and new experiences and the things 1857 01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:25,440 that have happened to even people who 1858 01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:26,720 helped me 1859 01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,760 with editing that book or anything 1860 01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:32,000 with uh proofreading you know pretty 1861 01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,359 much if you came in contact with that 1862 01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,119 book stuff happened to you 1863 01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,760 yeah there's a lot including well i look 1864 01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,280 forward to reading it and i 1865 01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,520 i want to have you come back and we'll 1866 01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,039 discuss that as well 1867 01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:45,520 i would love to okay patrick well it's 1868 01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,480 good seeing you again 1869 01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,559 good to see you too god bless you and 1870 01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:50,720 you take care and we'll talk soon 1871 01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:54,480 thank you now if you have an unexplained 1872 01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,039 encounter 1873 01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,440 sighting feel free to contact me through 1874 01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:59,760 the phantoms of monsters blog site 1875 01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,000 i once again thank patrick meacham for 1876 01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,839 joining me this evening 1877 01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:06,000 and thanks to each and all of you for 1878 01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:07,359 watching and chatting 1879 01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,400 if you made a super chat donation it is 1880 01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:11,920 truly appreciated 1881 01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:14,559 your support is what makes this possible 1882 01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,440 please like 1883 01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:18,480 subscribe and share so until next week 1884 01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:20,319 stay healthy have a safe and enjoyable 1885 01:05:30,050 --> 01:05:20,880 weekend 1886 01:05:30,060 --> 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